Ford should the Aston V12 in their own cars

"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
05/22/2014 at 10:16 • Filed to: None

like the Expedition, F150/Raptor, maybe a special Mustang, a new supercar like the GT, and of course some Lincolns. Making a new RWD sedan Town car that's actually flagship material would be a great place to install that V12.

DISCUSSION (16)

mr_gofast > dogisbadob
05/22/2014 at 10:18

done in 2008

GT500 body, Saleen Stang ass end, Aston V12 for the motor :D

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/15/vid…

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Ford-Mus…

William Byrd > dogisbadob
05/22/2014 at 10:22

V12 all the things!

I like it.

EL_ULY > dogisbadob
05/22/2014 at 10:25

better noise, but those V12 aren't these mighty powerful things most people think. More good would come from a basic and solid budget Coyote build. After 3 years here at my dealer, if a quick light to light run between a $300k DBS and a C6 Z06 were to occur...the $8 in my wallet is going to the Vette's side to win. Even a quick highway run. Aston's are quite quick.... but not like most people think.

Brian Silvestro > dogisbadob
05/22/2014 at 10:26

Kinja'd!!!

dogisbadob > mr_gofast
05/22/2014 at 10:40

That's awesome!

But it would still be nice to see it in a regular production car :)

Textured Soy Protein > dogisbadob
05/22/2014 at 10:44

Only problem with your idea is Ford sold off Aston Martin in 2007.

dogisbadob > Textured Soy Protein
05/22/2014 at 10:48

Yeah I know that :p

Yeah Ford sold Aston, but that doesn't un-make them the designers of that V12—it's still two Duratecs and still la Ford design.

I was trying to say that even though Ford doesn't own Aston-Martin, they still have the engine, or they can still make the engine for use in their own cars.

Also, Aston-Matin still uses Ford parts, including that engine (well next year they're switching to Mercedes power, but still, they kept using Ford shit long after not being owned by the Blue Ellipse anymore)

apr10427 - Greedo never fired > dogisbadob
05/22/2014 at 11:09

Ford doesn't have the rights to the design of the V12 engine. It was developed by Aston Martin while they were owned by Ford and the design is included in the portfolio of technology that transferred with Aston when Premier Auto Group bought them back in 2007.

dogisbadob > apr10427 - Greedo never fired
05/22/2014 at 11:33

I didn't know that. I thought Ford had retained the rights, especially since they still supply it! Too bad though :(

Textured Soy Protein > apr10427 - Greedo never fired
05/22/2014 at 13:01

Pretty much, except Premier Automotive Group was the group within Ford that was made up of Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Volvo (and Lincoln/Mercury).

Ford broke up PAG as it sold off all the foreign brands that were contained within it, and shuttered Mercury.

Aston Martin was bought by an investment group led by David Richards, the chairman of Prodrive (of Subaru WRC team fame, among other things). There were other investment type people involved, and since then there have been some further transactions.

Wildstar > dogisbadob
05/22/2014 at 14:23

Why put 20+ year old technology in anything? Take two new 3.5 Ecoboosts, slam them together, and have an engine with enough torque to stop the planet.

apr10427 - Greedo never fired > Textured Soy Protein
05/22/2014 at 15:35

Yup, you're right. I remembered the wrong group in the transaction.

dogisbadob > Wildstar
05/22/2014 at 17:03

Hell yeah that would be awesome! It probably would've happened had Aston renewed their contract with Ford instead of jumping to Mercedes.

Joseph Shaul > dogisbadob
06/22/2014 at 22:50

Can you cite evidence? The NVH spec is very nice, but it's not world's better than other engines in Ford's portfolio. Furthermore, the cost of production is stupendous, it's a relatively ancient design (it's essentially two Taurus V6s stuck together), and the service costs are absurd.

dogisbadob > Joseph Shaul
06/23/2014 at 16:13

Yeah I know it's just two Duratecs, which means service costs shouldn't be that bad, and for the same reason, it actually isn't and wasn't that expensive to build. For example, the DB7 Vantage (first car to receive the Double Duratec) actually cost *less* to build than the previous supercharged I6 in the regular DB7.

Maybe they can do an updated design based on their new V6 and weld two of those together, and/or possibly a double Ecoboost. I'd really like to see an American-nameplate V12 car!

Joseph Shaul > dogisbadob
06/24/2014 at 14:47

The problem with big engines is that the maintenance cost increases quadratically. Scaling up something that large creates some fairly problematic limitations on cooling and lubricant movement, and camshafts and similar devices must be built to far, far higher standards than the original engine.

Also, given that the cost of a crate engine on eBay is roughly on par with a nicely equipped MKZ, there are some definitely some cost issues here.